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15:37:25"},{"nodeID":"266449","text":"most of us travel from one built-up area to another.","type":"I","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:25"},{"nodeID":"266451","text":"Shiv : Okay, so ... we have this, as human beings we have wonderful sets of systematic biases in how we see the world.","type":"L","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:25"},{"nodeID":"266452","text":"Anon: Shiv : Okay, so ... we have this, as human beings we have wonderful sets of systematic biases in how we see the world.","type":"L","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:25"},{"nodeID":"266454","text":"Shiv : So most of us travel from one built-up area to another.","type":"L","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:26"},{"nodeID":"266455","text":"Anon: Shiv : So most of us travel from one built-up area to another.","type":"L","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:26"},{"nodeID":"266462","text":"And so we think, in England, that most of it's built up.","type":"I","timestamp":"2017-03-30 15:37:27"},{"nodeID":"266464","text":"Shiv : And so we think, in 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